John Bonner
Christy Vance
English 102
They Say I Say reading response
I thought overall this was a useful assignment, that I know I will use. Even though I'm sure to most this assignment seemed a little easy. I don't necessarily mean the writing itself but the overall concept, of how to form an argument paper. The entire concept seems as if it was stolen from a science textbook. When you are forming and expressing a hypothesis you need data to support your claim, that would be the "they say". The "I say" portion of the concept is nothing more that you gathering everything you learned and forming that to fit your hypothesis. Now hopefully if you have searched properly you don't have to do too much form fitting but you will need to do some, to me that is the nature of argument.
The only other thing that I would say in response to this reading, is about the templates, I feel they will help all of us organize our arguments. I know that I will need to use this template in revising my paper.
Friday, October 30, 2009
Thursday, October 29, 2009
"They Say, I Say"
Laura Catter
Cristy Vance
English 102 -009
"They Say - I Say" Response
I thought that this reading was a little too structural. I understand the value of seeing it broken down into a structure with the intent of aiding understanding. On the other hand, I don't think it is necessary to give "templates" for writing. The templates are very obvious and totally unoriginal (in fact, the very act of using a template for writing is a complete abandonment of originality that should boarder on plagiarism) and I have to hope that the writer did not intend for us to actually employ them, per word, in our writing.
As far as the rest of the reading goes; it was a bit repetitive, but drove home the idea that there are many different ways to deal with arguments and focusing on three basic ones. I can see how I'm going to end up using each of them in a variety of ways in my paper. My topic is somewhat controversial at the moment. I see a lot of people supporting it who are missing the important points, and a lot of people attacking it who are also. As I read through this, my mind kept going back to all of the research I've done so far and thinking on these points.
Now I'm looking at the support and opposition I'd decided to use and trying to consider how best to introduce and handle them. Some of them I'm even reconsidering. It is such an emotional topic that much of the reaction to the topic lacks proper logical foundation. It will be interesting, and I hope not too difficult, to stick with the facts and keep my personal feelings out of the way. After all, I want to inform others about my topic, not just whine about it.
Cristy Vance
English 102 -009
"They Say - I Say" Response
I thought that this reading was a little too structural. I understand the value of seeing it broken down into a structure with the intent of aiding understanding. On the other hand, I don't think it is necessary to give "templates" for writing. The templates are very obvious and totally unoriginal (in fact, the very act of using a template for writing is a complete abandonment of originality that should boarder on plagiarism) and I have to hope that the writer did not intend for us to actually employ them, per word, in our writing.
As far as the rest of the reading goes; it was a bit repetitive, but drove home the idea that there are many different ways to deal with arguments and focusing on three basic ones. I can see how I'm going to end up using each of them in a variety of ways in my paper. My topic is somewhat controversial at the moment. I see a lot of people supporting it who are missing the important points, and a lot of people attacking it who are also. As I read through this, my mind kept going back to all of the research I've done so far and thinking on these points.
Now I'm looking at the support and opposition I'd decided to use and trying to consider how best to introduce and handle them. Some of them I'm even reconsidering. It is such an emotional topic that much of the reaction to the topic lacks proper logical foundation. It will be interesting, and I hope not too difficult, to stick with the facts and keep my personal feelings out of the way. After all, I want to inform others about my topic, not just whine about it.
I say
I thought that this reading was very helpful in breaking down how exactly to format your argument. Even the title: "They Say, I Say" says a lot about the proper format to put your paper in. It is important to not just use what you say, or just use what they say. In an argument paper it is best to pepper in the "they say" bits with your overall "i say" paper. The best way to start an argument paper is to first state the basic argument. This was the first section we read.
This was a very useful thing to read, since I have been wondering how the best way to format my paper would be. It clarified things a lot, and gave me some really useful advice, although I still don't know exactly where I should start.
"They Say"
Saundra Johnson
Christy Vance
English 102
Reading Response
Developing the Argument
After reading the assigned pages given to us by our English teacher, Christy Vance, I felt a relief and comfort that had developed because the article gave me some insights into preparing my argument paper. The reading brought a new angle for me to ponder and choose which one of the three ways to support my thesis stance. Majority of us have an idea of how we wish to develop our essays, and the article gave us a few different formats in which we could build our arguments.
Producing and stating the argument question as clearly and quickly as possible is considered the "they say" segment. The most important piece of advice that I gleaned from the reading was to make your essay a conversation with your intended audience. Gaining this piece of knowledge will hopefully reflect in my paper the stance I have chosen to support. The templates are a good guide to help produce a cohesive, straightforward argument question.
The "Yes/No/Okay, But" section introduced the three most used techniques for agreeing,disagreeing, or some combination of the two. It is referred to as the "I say" portion of the essay paper. This part of the article showed some varied styles of how to respond to the "they say" piece of the reading assignment. This required study has been beneficial in showing me ways to cultivate replies to the opposite stance of the argument I propose in the composition.
English Language
Saundra Johnson
Christy Vance
English 102
27 October 2009
George Orwell's article, Politics and the English Language, is basically about the lost art of direct writing with words that make sense when put together unlike political speeches and proposals. He showed some great passages that had me thinking to myself, "What is this all about?" or maybe a few "huhs" here and there. As the article continued , I felt he was doing the same as he progressed into his own ideas and arguments. Then it became clear that he was being sarcastic and using his own agenda to prove his point.
It took me quite a while to finish the required reading as it lost my interest from time to time. I would simply put it down for a while and pick it back up to move forward till I finished the lengthy study of Orwell's Politics and the English Language . Sometimes , I would get lost in the idea he was trying to portray and had to go back to read it again and think about the passage's meaning until I understood his concept. Frustration would creep in to cloud my thoughts and delay my comprehension of his words. After reading his article several times, I finally got the jest of what he was trying to portray.
This was an excellent example of how not to write for our argument paper. Be clear, concise, and call a spade a spade and not a diamond. As a writer, I need to keep to my topic and stance clear being mindful of producing metaphors and over used phrases which could lead the reader astray. After struggling through to the end of Orwell's article and understanding his point, it should help keep my own writing on track.
Christy Vance
English 102
27 October 2009
Losing the English Language
George Orwell's article, Politics and the English Language, is basically about the lost art of direct writing with words that make sense when put together unlike political speeches and proposals. He showed some great passages that had me thinking to myself, "What is this all about?" or maybe a few "huhs" here and there. As the article continued , I felt he was doing the same as he progressed into his own ideas and arguments. Then it became clear that he was being sarcastic and using his own agenda to prove his point.
It took me quite a while to finish the required reading as it lost my interest from time to time. I would simply put it down for a while and pick it back up to move forward till I finished the lengthy study of Orwell's Politics and the English Language . Sometimes , I would get lost in the idea he was trying to portray and had to go back to read it again and think about the passage's meaning until I understood his concept. Frustration would creep in to cloud my thoughts and delay my comprehension of his words. After reading his article several times, I finally got the jest of what he was trying to portray.
This was an excellent example of how not to write for our argument paper. Be clear, concise, and call a spade a spade and not a diamond. As a writer, I need to keep to my topic and stance clear being mindful of producing metaphors and over used phrases which could lead the reader astray. After struggling through to the end of Orwell's article and understanding his point, it should help keep my own writing on track.
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
Speaking to your audience
John Bonner
English 102, Christy Vance
Reading Response
English 102, Christy Vance
Reading Response
Advice from George Orwell
When I first started reading this I was a little apprehensive but as I continued my opinion of it completely changed. I started to notice that Orwell was not talking at me, but rather to me. I started noticing little mistakes that I commonly make when writing papers.
The first of which is my tendency to ramble on, I can’t help that fact it has just always been the nature of me. When Orwell said that our language becomes ugly because our thoughts were foolish, I thought this was brilliant, which may indeed be a foolish thought. This might be the root cause of all my ramblings; I might just seem to get to emotion in a piece of writing and just never shut up. I hope that I can learn from this reading and improve upon the writing that I have already done.
The other thing that Orwell mentioned was about the way we can dress up certain words or phrases, so that we can give it an air of scientific impartiality to our claim. What I gather from this was that Orwell wanted us to use large scientific words in our paper to give our ludicrous proposals some sort of importance. He later counteracts this with his simple rules on the back sheet by saying that we should never use scientific jargon when a simple English word will do just fine. This is by far the greatest lesson he could have taught me.
All in all this was an important read, at least for me. I believe I have learned to clarify my paper so that I may be able to speak to my audience and hopefully connect with them.
Saundra Johnson
Christy Vance
English 102
27 October 2009
George Orwell's article, Politics and the English Language, is basically about the lost art of direct writing with words that make sense when put together unlike political speeches and proposals. He showed some great passages that had me thinking to myself, "What is this all about?" or maybe a few "huhs" here and there. As the article continued , I felt he was doing the same as he progressed into his own ideas and arguments. Then it became clear that he was being sarcastic and using his own agenda to prove his point.
It took me quite a while to finish the required reading as it lost my interest from time to time. I would simply put it down for a while and pick it back up to move forward till I finished the lengthy study of Orwell's Politics and the English Language . Sometimes , I would get lost in the idea he was trying to portray and had to go back to read it again and think about the passage's meaning until I understood his concept. Frustration would creep in to cloud my thoughts and delay my comprehension of his words. After reading his article several times, I finally got the jest of what he was trying to portray.
This was an excellent example of how not to write for our argument paper. Be clear, concise, and call a spade a spade and not a diamond. As a writer, I need to keep to my topic and stance clear being mindful of producing metaphors and over used phrases which could lead the reader astray. After struggling through to the end of Orwell's article and understanding his point, it should help keep my own writing on track.
Christy Vance
English 102
27 October 2009
Losing the English Language
George Orwell's article, Politics and the English Language, is basically about the lost art of direct writing with words that make sense when put together unlike political speeches and proposals. He showed some great passages that had me thinking to myself, "What is this all about?" or maybe a few "huhs" here and there. As the article continued , I felt he was doing the same as he progressed into his own ideas and arguments. Then it became clear that he was being sarcastic and using his own agenda to prove his point.
It took me quite a while to finish the required reading as it lost my interest from time to time. I would simply put it down for a while and pick it back up to move forward till I finished the lengthy study of Orwell's Politics and the English Language . Sometimes , I would get lost in the idea he was trying to portray and had to go back to read it again and think about the passage's meaning until I understood his concept. Frustration would creep in to cloud my thoughts and delay my comprehension of his words. After reading his article several times, I finally got the jest of what he was trying to portray.
This was an excellent example of how not to write for our argument paper. Be clear, concise, and call a spade a spade and not a diamond. As a writer, I need to keep to my topic and stance clear being mindful of producing metaphors and over used phrases which could lead the reader astray. After struggling through to the end of Orwell's article and understanding his point, it should help keep my own writing on track.
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